“...I need convincing that Molyneux even HAS philosophical views to debunk. He's mostly an endless daily vomiting of personal grievances mixed with justifications for treatment of others as worthless inferiors.” --Money Detonator
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Yeah! I'm really awesome! Thank you very much but, seriously, a lot of people at Liberating Minds at the time were starting to think in that direction or believed it was already a full-blown destructive cult. I was the hold-out (and still am) who believes that Molyneux himself was totally convinced and committed to what he was selling. I'm less sure of it these days, and often suspect that his attempt to co-opt the men's rights movement was more likely to be a purely cynical money grab. Or maybe not.
Yeah! I'm really awesome! Thank you very much but, seriously, a lot of people at Liberating Minds at the time were starting to think in that direction or believed it was already a full-blown destructive cult. I was the hold-out (and still am) who believes that Molyneux himself was totally convinced and committed to what he was selling.
Thank you very much but, seriously, a lot of people at Liberating Minds at the time were starting to think in that direction or believed it was already a full-blown destructive cult. I was the hold-out (and still am) who believes that Molyneux himself was totally convinced and committed to what he was selling. I'm less sure of it these days, and often suspect that his attempt to co-opt the men's rights movement was more likely to be a purely cynical money grab. Or maybe not.
Quote from: QuestEon on August 05, 2015, 03:26:35 PM Yeah! I'm really awesome! Thank you very much but, seriously, a lot of people at Liberating Minds at the time were starting to think in that direction or believed it was already a full-blown destructive cult. I was the hold-out (and still am) who believes that Molyneux himself was totally convinced and committed to what he was selling. I'm less sure of it these days, and often suspect that his attempt to co-opt the men's rights movement was more likely to be a purely cynical money grab. Or maybe not. Don't most cult leaders believe in their own product?
Quote from: QuestEon on August 05, 2015, 03:26:35 PM Thank you very much but, seriously, a lot of people at Liberating Minds at the time were starting to think in that direction or believed it was already a full-blown destructive cult. I was the hold-out (and still am) who believes that Molyneux himself was totally convinced and committed to what he was selling. I'm less sure of it these days, and often suspect that his attempt to co-opt the men's rights movement was more likely to be a purely cynical money grab. Or maybe not. I think I know what you are talking about. It's just really hard to tell with these people exactly what their motivations are sometimes. Is it just scamming people or does he actually believe what he says? I wonder if he has some core beliefs but then holds on to them so strongly that anything else, like for example, trying to co-opt the mens movement for money, is seen as OK. Kind of like the ends justify the means.
I haven't had a chance to listen to it yet but the Steven Hassan is on the latest Joe Rogan podcast #680.
Lemanakmelo I find this whole episode very informative as a former listener of Stefan Molyneux. I do have one thing to comment about though. I used to listen to his podcasts a lot, and I listened to almost all of his first 1300 or so podcasts. I haven't listened since last year, shortly before his last episode with Joe, which was what really ended it for me. But I don't think Molyneux does say to flat out cut off from your family. While I was listening, he did constantly say that the best thing to do is to see a therapist, and continue talking with your family and your therapist. He said that you should try to keep your family relationship unless you absolutely felt that you kept trying to communicate with them and they weren't listening. I remember thinking how much easier it would be to not talk to my family and just cut off ties with them, but I knew that wasn't what he advocated. However, I think maybe early on he was suggesting defooing straight out,, and perhaps after so many podcasts I forget those earlier episodes. And I do definitely remember a lot of conversations where he recommended DeFooing. In the Guardian article, he told the reporter that he had told less than 20 people to DeFOO ever, and I remember at the time thinking that was maybe true, but it sounded like a low number. But I never felt that the message to me was that I should DeFOO. However, during the time I listened, there were other things that built up and bothered me. For one thing, he has a mixed stance on compassion. At times he is very compassionate and understanding to people, or advocates compassion, but at other times he draws a hard line and basically calls people bad or wrong, or tells someone that the person they're talking about is bad or wrong. And in reflection, there were some other things that had bothered me while I was listening, where I should have trusted my gut feeling. For example he does ask for donations, and I never wanted to donate to him, but he did a podcast that was kind of a case for donating to causes you love. But he also throws in comments like "And, obviously, I think my conversation is the most important in the world, otherwise I would work for someone else". This podcast made me want to donate to OTHER podcasts, I thought it was a pretty reasonable argument, but he had thrown in enough comments to make me feel like if I didn't donate exclusively to him, that I wasn't doing everything in my power to advocate freedom. So I actually donated to another podcast and his, but I felt the need to email him that and tell him that I was donating to two podcasts, and why I felt the other one was also important. Once I cancelled my donations to Stefan Molyneux last year, I felt relieved. It wasn't a large amount, but I realized how ridiculous it was that I felt the need to justify myself to him, and I realized that I should have listened to my initial feelings. (And listening to and trusting your feelnigs is ironically something Stefan advocates) I still donate to the other podcast, which I think is a fantastic podcast with no guilt tripping. 5 hours ago•2 Moon Dial +Lemanakmelo I also became a viewer before the JRE thing. Probably watched 10-15hrs of his work. Luckily by the time he came onto this podcast I had gone off him to the point where I wanted him shown to be the fraud that he is. Joe did, but could have gone further. There's a darkness inside Molyneux. I don't know what it is exactly, but he's on a vendetta. 2 hours ago (edited)•
God Almighty Christ on a stick, that Steve Hassan doesn't half talk some shit. 1:50:00 approx where they are talking about abused keeping in contact with the abuser - Joe Rogan really had that wanker on the ropes and all I could see was this "therapist" squirming like a little worm. How on earth did this fella get a licence? Hassan has the sort of mindset that would ultimately get some poor sod killed by their family abuser "because, well, y'now because their family...." "Hey, like just because you got f*cked six ways from sunday by your Mom/Dad, well y'now that's all in the past and this is the here and now and evil child raping scum can change". Twat.